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Zeyno Baran: After What Russia Has Done in Georgia, I Do Not Think, That Any Western Country Leader

Zeyno Baran: After What Russia Has Done in Georgia , I Do Not Think,

      That Any Western Country Leader Wants to Have a Partnership

                                           With Kremlin

 

 

By Ia Merkviladze, NY, USA

(For the News Paper “Sakartvelos respublika” 08/14/08)

 

     zein Barani, but Semdeg, rac ruseTma saqarTveloSi

moimoqmeda, air vfiqrob, rom romelime dasavlelma

liderma ruseTi partniorad Gaixia

Interviú energetikis sakiTxebis eqspertTan, ASS-is hadsonis

; institutis evraziis politikis centris direqtor

zein lecturing

IA merkvilaZe, New - iorki - Washington, Ass

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q-us zeino barani saqarTveloSi bolos SarSan, "mSvidobian over gaxldaT. rogorc Tavad ambobs: axla droa kvlav Cavides iq, sadac yvelaferi uyvars ise, rogorc Tavis samSobloSi, TurqeTSi.

- miyvars qarTveli xalxi, mission Suli, buneba, sakvebi, musika - miyveba igi. - Minda ufro xSirad viyo saqarTveloSi. "Vardebis revoluciis" dross TbilisSi viyavi, aRfrTovanebuli gaxldiT qarTvelebis Tavisuflebis wyurviliT; surviliT, gaxdnen dasavleTis nawili. Zurab Cavedi they Jvanias dasaflavebisTvis. sikvdili mission didi da tragedia Iyo qveynisa ojaxisTvis. kidev mere sxva bevri viziti Iyo, mats Soris im periodSi, Roca baqo-Tbilisi - jeihanisa da baqo - Tbilisi-erzrumis navTobsadenebis proeqtebisTvis vmuSaobdi. Cavdiodi imisTvis, rom gamego, ra etapzea qarTuli demokratia, samoqalaqo sazogadoeba, mediis Tavisufleba. sul pirvelad gaxldiT 1990 wels, roca vcdilobdi axalgazrda meocnebe qarTveli biznesmenebi gameerTianebina amerikul “tvinis centrSi” (eqspertTa gundi – i.m .).

-   q-no zeino , Tqvenis dakvirvebiT, ra gaxldaT mosalodneli Setakebis niSnebi manam, sanam “cxeli omi” gaCaRdeboda? ratom moxda es axla?

- ara is pirveli SemTxvevaa rock me amgvar sitruacias Sevejaxe. ara mgon saw me (savaraudod ruseTis xelmZRvanelobis guard) moeloda aset maStabian ieriSs sick. Euratom axla? axla agvistoa, Zalian bevri isvenebs Adamian; averages of yuradReba zogadad msoflios yuradReba gadatanilia pekinsa of olimpiadaze; Iyo realuri progress of the SSA-sa evrokavSiris dedaqalaqebiT inicirebuli samSvidobo msvlelobaSi process, RAC ruseTs monopoly uflebas utovebda plow. rasakvirvelia, drois SerCeva ganpirobebuli Iyo Aprils samitiT the native born dekemberSi dagegmili sagar ministrebis SexvedriT rock savaraudod saqartvelo born "SPME" miiRebda.

amave dross es aris putinis MIER amerikisTvis gagzavnili mesiji da me, rasakvirvelia, vimedovneb, rom amerikelebi am gzavnils sworad gaigeben. ruseTi TiTqos cdilobs daxatos aseTi Surati: is, ned xdeba saqarTveloSi, ar gansxvavdeba imisgan, rasac American serbiaSi akeTebda: bombavda masobrivi sahaero dabombviT mat, flat SeeCerebina "eTnikuri wmendis" kampania. magram, rasakvirvelia, es sasacilo gancxadebaa; saqarTvelo arasdros yofila axlosac ki "eTnikur wmendis" kampanisTan samxreT oseTSi, sapirispirod imisa, ned kosovoSi moxda. SemiZlia me kidev sxvadasxva sakiTxebi davamato im Temas, rasac hqvia ruseTis guliwyroma amerikasTan dakavSirebiT, romelic axla saqarTveloze aisaxeba.

- rogor fiqrobT, ratom dagvartya ruseTma samxreT oseTidan afxazeTidan da ara? constellation mission mdgomareobda strategiuli gaTvla?

- me ar Vici, ratom gadawyvites dartyma swored samxreT oseTidan; ar vfiqrob, rom saerTod am sakiTxebSi arsebobs raime naTeli imasTan dakavSirebiT, Tu rogor daiwyo iaraRis JRaruni. nebismier SemTxvevaSi, ruseTis xelmZRvaneloba ieriSs saqarTveloze orive mxridan didi xania gegmavda. ukve iyo mzad marTalac rom Sesanisnavi proeqtebi imisa, Tu rogor gadaewyvitaT afxazeTis problema mSvidobiani gziT. axla, mas mere rac moxda, Cven am situaciis   yvela aspeqti unda gadavsinjoT.

- SesaZlebelia, rom natom saqarTvelo Tavis rigebSi am weliwads miiRos eqstraordinaluri pirobebis gaTvaliswinebiT? odesme miuRia mas qveyana Cveni situaciis msgavs pirobebSi?

- ara mgonia, rom saqarTvelo uaxloes momavalSi natoSi miiRon. SesaZlebelia mas mieces “mefi” raRac drois Semdgom, magram am pirobebSi TiTqmis SeuZlebelia warmoidgino, rom saqarTvelo gaxdeba natos wevri momaval you 2 wlis Semdgom Wels.

- arsebobs ki im raime saerTaSoriso dasjis meTodi Zaladobis Gamo, rasac ruseTi Cvens winaaRmdeg axorcielebs? arsebobs amgvari "qeisis" precendenti?

- fig mgonia, rom amgvari precendenti arsebobdes. magram darwmunebuli var, rom-natos ruseT urTierToba, G 8 - The mission pozicia, ruseTis adgili uSiSroebis sabWoSi da sxva ruseTis kidev bevri urTierTobebi samyaros civilizirebul TanamegobrobasTan gadasinjul iqneba.   SeSfoTebuli var ruseTis piar kampaniiT – axali ambebis umravlesoba   saomari daZabulobis meore DdRis siZvelisaa da maT ise miawvdian xalxs, rogorc ruseTis nebismier variantSi gamarTlebul reaqcias. amdagvarad, sakiTxi, Tu rogor SesZleben ruseTis energetikuli partniorebi germania da safrangeT ruseTTan urTierTobis wesrigSi moyvanas, Zalzed mniSvnelovani iqneba.

- SesaZlebelia gaeros cisferCafxutianebis gamoyeneba cecxlis Sewyvetisa da samSvidobo procesis dawyebisaTvis? ra saxis procedura unda Catardes am SemTxvevaSi?

- amgvari SenaerTebi iqmneba gaer wevri saxelmwifoebis Wed moxaliseobis safuZvelze. Teoriulad is SesaZlebloba SeiZleba ganvixiloT, rogorc cecxlis Sewyvetis gza, gza naklebad Magram is warmosadgenia, radganac uSiSroebis sabWos mudmivi wevri ruseTi gaer nebismier mcedlobas Zalia advil daadebs vetoes.

- buharestis samitze ra iyo ar saqarTvelos natoSi miRebis realuri mizezi ?

- vfiqrob, rom Is iyo wina wlis noembris incidenti, amitom saqarTvelosTvis "mefis" miReba Zalia gaZnelda. ar unda rogoradac iyos, Tu gaixsenebT, Prezident buss momentamde sjeroda bolus, is SesaZlebeli rom iyo, radganac saqarTvelo aseTi gansakuTrebuli qveyanaa, romlis xalxi gansakuTrebiT prodasavlurad da pronatouradaa ganwyobili. You grab ise, advilia ar da ruseTi Seadaro saqarTvelo erTmaneTs. Decl cnobili iyo, rom rom kidevac "miawve" Bevra evropis qveynas, romlebic arasdros yofilan sabWoTa kavSiris samizne, marla interesebze saqarTvelos isini ruseTis interesebs daayeneben.

- reseTma saqarTvelos dabombvisTvis "srulyofili" mizezi aRmoaCina: “iZuleba mSvidobisaTvis”. xom ver agvixsnidiT am terminis klasikur gagebas? vis, rodis da ratom aqvs ufleba am saxis iZulebis gamoyenebis?

- me ar SemiZlia avxsna, Tu ratom gamoiyena ruseTma swored es fraza. Tanac sulac ara siaxle is, rasac ruseTi axla sCadis. XIX saukuneSi ruseTma ganmeorebiT daipyro balkanebi im mizeziT, rom awarmoebda “TavdacviT” moqmedebas “marTlmadidebeli Tanamemamuleebis” dasacavad, romlebic am SemTxvevaSi bulgareli da makedoneli glexebi gaxldnen, arada maT araferi akavSirebdaT ruseTTan. savaraudod, rogorc zemoT aRvniSne, ruseTi cdilobs aaRorZinos ritorikuli kavSiri kosovos saqmesTan   da es kavSiri gaxlavT Semdegi - “SeaCereT genocidi” sahaero ieriSebiT. rasakvirvelia, saqarTelosa da kosovos Sedareba ar SeiZleba da es saqmeebi gansxvavebulia, magram rusebi am gansxvavebas amgvarad ar aRiqvamen.

- rogor fiqrobT, amerikasa da dasavleTis sxva qveynebs kvlav eSiniaT ruseTis? amitomacaa maTi gancxadebebi arc ise xisti? buSi putins adre “megobars” uwodebda. dRes-dReobiT ra saxis megoborobaa es?

- but mere, rac busman ganacxada, rom putinis sulSi Caixeda, Cven, Tetri gansakuTrebiT saxlidan da zogadad Amerikis mTavrobidan, ruseTis agresiaze xisti pasuxebis miRebis gvqonda mudmivad problem. undata cxadad amerikelebs gaakeTon Semdegi problemis prioritizacia: ar daubrundnen civilization dReebs Omis, Matt sasowarkveTilad sjeraT, rom SesaZlebelia (rac marTlac SeiZleba grab iyos) Yvel absoluturad partniorebi ruseTis iyvnen sakiTxSi, iqneba is atomuri iaraRis argavrceleba, omi terorTan Your energetikis sakiTxebi ( Your mxolod am CamonaTvliT davkmayofildebiT). wlis mravali ganmavlobaSi uamrav adamianTan vkamaTobdi me, Magram samwuxarod realpolitikam gaimarjva. axla Magram, but mere, rac ruseTma saqarTveloSi moimoqmeda, me ar vfiqrob, rom romelime dasavlelma liderma putins kvlav uwodos “megobari” anda   kremli partniorad ganixilos.

- ggoniaT, rom SevZlebT ruseTis agresiis SeCerebas? SeuZlia   Cvens winaaRmdegobas kavkasiaSi ruseTis sruli intervencia SeaCeros?   sxva qveynebs SeuZliaT dagvexmaron iaraRiT, sxva resursebiT?

- veWvob, rom saqarTvelom SesZlos ruseTis agresiis damoukideblad gamklaveba, imisda miuxedavad imisa, Tu ramden daxmarebas miiRebT garedan. Tqven veranairad ver esabamebiT ruseTis militaristul upiratesobas, mats Soris da es ukve cxadia, strategiuli bombebis gamoyenebis sakiTxSic. metic, me ar mjera, rom romelime qveyana samxedro daxmarebas gagiwevT. ice is ubralo realobaa, RAC Unda gaiTavisoT. Unda axla saqarTvelo SeCerdes you riskis qveS daayenos adamianis sicocxleebi, Tavisi aqtivebi Tu pasivebi.

- rogor fiqrobT, ruseTi ratom gvanadgurebs ufro metad ar? magaliTad, rogorc dedaqalaqi grozno gadaaswores? Amas me imitom gekiTxebiT, rom ruseTma Cveni pirisagan miwisa rom aRgva moindomos, igi UFRO amis "profesiulad" gaakeTebs. Rogor ggoniaT, rusebs warmoedginaT, rom saqarTvelo winaaRmdegobas gauwevda? Raimes isini eridebian? Your eridebian da, ras eridebian?

- ar me geTanxmebiT - sea gamoiyenes Zlieri iaraRi Zalia. sea, Albat, dauSves, rom rac gamoiyenes, saqarTvelosTvis sakmarisi iyo. vfiqrob me, rom is marTlac sakmarisia imisTvis, rom mwyobridan gamoiyvano saqarTvelos strategiuli, ekonomikuri da usafrTxoebis infrastruqtura.

- dasasrul, Rogor prognozs gaakeTebdiT?

- me ar moveli, rom ruseTi gaCerdeba manam, sanam ar gaakontrolebs samxreT oseTsa da afxazeTs. amas Tu ar miaRweven, isini Tbiliss dabombaven. mere, “aCveneben saqarTvelos” da gansakuTrebiT saakaSvils, vis unda putins, rom personalurad iyos dasjili da mxolod amis Semdeg gaCerdebian. am qmedebiT, maT yofil sabWoTa kavSiris sivrces gzavnili gaugzavnes: gamowvevas nu gvesvriT Cven an Cvens saxelmwifo interesebs. vgulisxmob,   magaliTad, centraluri aziis qveynebs, romelebic ufro metad iZulebuli iqnebian ruseTs gadaabaron aRmosavleT-dasavleTis energetikuli koridori.

Magram Decl me Movelia seriozul Sedegebs ruseTisTvis Your buSis administraciis arsebobis ara cylinders, ASS-is Semdgomi prezidentisgan, gansakuTrebiT, Tu es senatori makqeini jon iqneba, romelmac sakmaod xisti gancxadeba gaakeTa. ASS see iqneba aliansSi qveyanasTan, romelic iqceva grabs, is aris da amerikuli Rirebulebebis amerikeli xalxis Seuracxyofa.

Your dasavleTi aucilebeli nabijebis gadadgmis processi raRac mizezis damarcxdeba deer, Semdgom amis, Cemi azriT, yvelaferi, rasac moicavs cneba “dasavleTi”, eWvis qveS dadgeba iseTi xalxisTvis, rogoricaa ahmadinejadi an osama bin ladeni. dasavleTi ki mxolod dancxadebebis formulirebiT Semoifargleba. am SemTxvevaSi amgvari moraluri Tanafardoba waaxalisebs im xalxs, romelic civilizaciis sxva mxares dadga.

.  gazeTi “saqarTvelos respublika ” 14/08/08