Boris Volodarsky : Because of
Agreement and Does not Lead out Army, Georgian
Intelligence Service on the
Is Activated . . .
By Ia
(For the News Paper “Sakartvelos Respublika” 09/02-03-04/08 - (Part II)
boris voloda rski: imis gamo, rom ruseTi xelmoweril
SeTanxmebas ar asrulebs da jarebi or gahyavs,
qarTuli dazverva ruseTis teritoriaze gaaqtiurda. . .
interview dazvervis historian Boris volodarskisTan
would merkvilaZe, niu-iorki - london
- xom air fiqrobT, rom sxva dedaqalaqisa of qalaqebis dabombviT rusebs iMedia hqondaT, rom qarTvelebi partizanul WHO gaaCaRebdnen, RAC Cvens qveyanas pirisagan miwisa sabolood aRgvida? CeCneTis darad
- ara. vfiqrob, rom isin srulad iyvnen darwmunebulni, rom saqartvelo ar daiwyebda partizanul OMS. Amasa Georgia yvelaze naklebad iyo dainteresebuli. Georgia namdvilad Araali CeCneTi. igi dasavleTis mokavSire damoukidebeli qveyanaa. magram amave dros measures, rom ara marto maT gegmaSi Tbilisi to qalaqebis dabombva sxva iyo, aramed sawyisi gegmaSi imTaviTve Sedioda saqarTvelos sruli okupacia anu eraySi amerikelebis scenaris gameoreba. dasvleTis mxardaWera to save omis ambebis Sesaxeb informaciaze uprecendentod swrafma misawvdomobam Ruşeţu iZulebuli gaxada gegma Seecvala. rasakvirvelia, Ruşeţu yovelgvari saerTaSoriso sanqciebis gareSe, saerTaSoriso kanonebis darRveviT moqmedebda. amas Zalian surprising that Sedegebi mohyva to mohyveba.
- saakaSvilma xelisuflebaSi mosvlisTanave jaSuSebi demonstratiulad gaaZeva. . .
- vTvli, rom am SemTxvevaSi Saakashvili sworad moqmedebda. rogorc saxelmwifo kancelariaSi ruseTis Spionis, "Txunelas" simon kilaZis, 4 aces Russians oficris dapatimrebiT. prezidents dasavleTisTvis undoda eCvenebina, rom Ruşeţu saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg jaSuSobas agrZelebs. rasakvirvelia, Amit igi rusebis gaRizianebas provocirebda to samagieros uxdida. magri mainc, amas omis gaCaRebis Sesaxeb rusebis mier gadawyvetilebis miRebis procesze with umoqmedia.
- ras fiqrobT saqarTvelos sadazvervo Taobaze system?
- rogorc axalgazrda saxelmwifos, saqarTvelos namdvilad with hqonda dazvervis sakiTxebSi gamocdilebis SeZenis saSualeba. aseve problematuri iyo ara March samxreT oseTSi, aramed mis mimdebare teritoriaze sadazvervo operaciebis warmoeba. qarTvelebi yvelanairad cdilobdnen, Magra rust kontrdazverva Mainz ganskuTrebulia. cxadia, rom President Saakashvili informirebuli iyo rusuli Jari Sesaxeb, icoda rom rust omisTvis emzadebda an afxazeTidan an samxreT oseTidan. Magra Saakashvili resources SezRuduli iyo.
- of mainc , londonidan qartuli dazvervis xarvezebis gamosasworeblad ras urCvdiT mzveravebs ?
- dazverva see SeaCerebs msxverpls of OMSA. daRupulebi - ESAA saomari qmedebis tragikuli Sedegi. dazvervis samsaxuris Mizani Aris mtris Sesaxeb Zust information moZieba of MOTAN. rasakvirvelia, qartuli samsaxurs ara hyavs sakmao profesionalebi Donia. es normaluricaa. Drotar ganmavlobaSi - geyolebaT. I maxsovs 1947-57 wlebSi CIA - is me Catarebuli zogierTi operacia. isini iqceodnen bavSvebiviT. bevri monawileTagani kvlav cocxalia, xandaxan Cven vxvdebiT erTmaneTs there in dReebze vkamaTobT kidec, Tumca matze rogorc miunimumi, erti ori to TaobiT axalgazrda var jer dabadebuli arc viyavi, roca erT - erti Cemi Kargi megobari venaSi specsamsaxuris aRmasrulebeli direqtori gaxda, bolos ki CIA - is sabWoTa ganyofilebas xelmZRvanelad daniSnes. Magram me dazverva ufro Metade imitom vici, rom igi Cemi akademiuri kvlevis Sagani gaxldaT. maSindelebis operatiuli unarebi Zalian ubralo since miamiti imisTvis iyo, rom britaneTisas anda, magaliTisTvis, RuseTisas Tundac SevadaroT. CEMIS azriT, Kargi saqarTvelom aucilebelia urTierToba daamyaros britaneTis SIS - Tan, iswavlos MATGAS rat. is aris Pirveli klasis Servisi. Tumca Mossad - ic Zalia Kargi. cxadia, sadazvervo samsaxuris komptenciis gaumjobesebaSi britanul MI5, SAS, American DIA-stan ( samxedro dazverva ) damyarebuli profesiuli kavSirebi aucileblad dagexmarebaT. bunebrivia, sWirdeba love drug.
- Tqven ra informacia gaqvT dawyebis detalebTan omis da qarTveli jaSuSebis dakavebasTan dakavSirebiT?
- Vici, rom didi Omi xniT mzaddeboda Adre. Vici ISIC, rom rusebma rokis uReltexili tankebiT cxinvalis dabombvamde 20 wuTiT gaiares Adre-so 23: 20 wuTze isini ukve iyvnen saqarTvelos terotoriaze, vgulisxmob, samxreT oseTs. cxinvalis dabombva "gradiT" CrdiloeTis mimarTulebidan, ruseTidan warmobda. sxva faqtebic gairkveva male. saqarTvelos aqtiuri ieriSi 1 and 7 agvistomde mimdionareobda. vimeoreb, rom ar kremli assets msoflio rezonans moeloda. satelevizo eTerSi cifruli xelsawyoebidan, motives telefonebidan Informace saswrafod gadaicemoda. Jari rusis Amas would moeloda. Iyo CeCneTis Drosia would miss six.
vfiqrob, IMIS Gamo, rum Ruşeţ xelmoweril asrulebs DSeTanxmebas would give jarebi would gahyavs, qarTuli dazverva ruseTis teritoriaze gaaqtiurda should wave da WeSmaritebas iyos moklebuli cnoba sagareo dazvervis qarTveli agentebis dapatimrebis Sesaxeb .
- okupirebul qveyanaSi ruseTis dazvervas dReobiT Dresden ra SeiZleba ainteresebdes?
- saqarTveloSi or rusul samaxurs GRU of FSB erTmaneTisagan gansxvavebuli interesebi aqvT. pirvelis Mizner mTavrobis damxoba of provorokaciebi im xnis ganmavlobaSi, ramden xansac MAT is brZaneba eqnebaT. es-born direqtiva saqarTevlo urTierTobis ganviTarebis Tanmdevi gaxdeba process. saqartvelo-Amerika, saqarTvelo-evrokavSiris, saqarTvelo-ukrainis samxedro kavSirebi da humanitaruli daxmareba, rasakvirvelia, ruseTis dazvervas iZulebuls gaxdis brZolis efeqturobis sakiTxebi, taqtikebi da qarTuli jaris SeiaraReba xelaxla Seafasos.
FSB daiwyebs ufro farTe agenturuli qselis Seqmnas, raTa moaxerxos nebismier Zalovan struqturaSi SeRweva, nebismieri politikuri, ekonomikuri, finansuri da samxedro informaciis mopoveba. es moRvaweoba saqarTvelos SigniT iwarmoebs. saqarTevlos gareT ki gaCaRdeba nebismieri saxis kontrdazverviTi zomebi, propaganda, dezinformacia.
gaiTvaliswineT, rom rusuli sadazvervo samsaxuri Seecdeba qarTul opoziciis zogierTi warmomadgenlis, iseve, rogorc zogierTi politikosis gamoyenebas, magram amgvari taqtika, xSir SemTxvevaSi, yovelTvis saSiSia da sariskoa, radganac "odesRac dafaruls naTeli moefineba". ice iqneba opoziciis your dasasruli sulac mxolod calkeuli pirebis dasasruli. masobrivi areulobis provicireba ki sul sxva ramea. ruseTs aqvs amgvari porvokaciebis organizebis gamocdileba. magram, saerTo jamSi, ice prookaciebi Zalian Zviri da cud Sedegebamde mivyavarT RIRs.
- SesaZlebelia, rom im ruseTma gazsadenebis afeTqeba daiwyos, romelic mis ar teritoriaze girl?
- teqnikurad ice SesaZlebelia, magram aseTi diversiebi ruseTis reputaciisTvis sabolood damRupveli iqneba. amgvari qmedebis Marto moralur mxares air vgulisxmob, aramed im Billion dolarebs, romelic daikargeba. ruseTi amis uflebas miscems see Sakuta TAV. militarist oligarqebi xom Zalian Rormucelebi Aryan. samxreT oseTisa of afxazeTis damoukideblobis aRiarebiT ruseTma Tavis mxrebs Didi tvirTi ahkida. IGI lean axla Seecdeba CeCneTi of inguSeTi Tavis samxedro bazebisTvis gamoiyenos. More RAC mawuxebs me, adamianebi Aryan adamianebi Zalian mecodebian. .
- giorgaZis aCrdili Sadrac daborialobs, aravin ICIS sad. . . iMedia mxolod internets. .
- suliad SesaZlebelia, es marTalic iyos. magram saakaSvils dRevandel situaciaSi aqvs erTxmovani mxardaWera da opozicias, gansakuTrebiT ki ruseTze orientirebuls, romelic saqarTeloSi ruseTis okupaciis aRalis Semomtania, Sansi ara aqvs.
- realuria saqarTvelos prezidents igive mouwyon, rac - iuSenkosa da litvinenkos?
- diax, amis riski aSkaraa. saakaSvilma aucileblad unda gaamagros Tavisi piradi dacvis samsaxuri. safrangeTs, iseve rogorc amerikis saidumlo samsaxurs SS –s (prezidentis dacvis samsaxuri. SegeSaloT ar ass-is dazvervaSi) daxmarebis qmediTi am sakiTxSi saakaSvilisTvis gaweva SeuZlia.
- ruseTis mTeli sastabilizacio amerikaSia fund, florida russia da oligarqebisa measured megobari Tu aramegobari Zalovanebis Fuli, amjerad mSvidobianadaa "okupirebuli. SeuZliaT amerkul specsamsaxurebs saWiroebis SemTxvevaSi am angariSebs problemebi Seuqmnan? rodis dadgeba amdagvari zomebis miRebis saWiroeba?
- diax, amerikis mTavrobas, savaraudod, SeuZlia am angariSebs problemebi Seuqmnas, Tu: rusebi amerikaSi arkanonier qmedebebs Caidenen da da Amerikis Your Tetri Saxli kongresi gadawyvets, imoqmedos amdagvarad rom. qveyanaSi demokratiul ukanaskneli ki anu Zneladaa warnosadgeni iq, SADC sasamarTlos mwyobrad muSaobs system. angariSebi sabanko mxolod imESemTxvevaSi gaqreba, Tu omi amerikasa da ruseTs Soris gaCaRdeba, Magram is omi ar moxdeba.
- Omis cylinders am dReebSi CNN - pentagonis spikeri barbara ze stari dauRalavad imeorebda imas, rom ruseTi sWirdeba Amerikas, rogorc antiiranuli partniori. aq aseTi kiTxva ismis "biWebo, vis winaaRmdeg megobrobT? ". Tu Teiranma umokles droSi birTvuli bombi Semqna, igi xom Tavisi "gafrenis unariT" jer kremlis varskvlavs miswvdeba, vidre - TeTr saxls? Tu iranis bombi amerikas daemizna, sastabilizacio fondic gaqreba da floridis agarakebic. .
- marTalia pentagonis spikeri. ar ruseTs garkveulwilad American sWirdeba imisTvis, rom saqme iranTan awarmoos. kremlisTvis Irani ki dasavleTTan gabmuli TamaSis yvelaze mTavari kartia. magram mainc, politikuri analizi Cemi sfero araa.
- keTili. ra SeuZlia ruseTs venesuelasa of libiasTan erTad?
- absoluturad araferi.
- Irans ruseTis agentura arsebobs?
- the , rasakvirvelia . Irans ruseTs saukeTesod of srulyofilad ganlagebuli Resurs yovelTvis hqonda. es sxva struqturaa south, ara SVR of GRU , romlebic saelcCoebSia Canergili. amas emateba GRU U-is ramodenime SeniRbuli oficeri. plus, savaraudod, erTi an ori ukanonoc. vimedovneb, rom iranSi Tavisi agentura amerikasac sakmaod aqvs.
gazeTi “saqarTvelos respublika” 02-03-04/09/08
(nawili II)
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